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Liga de filiales

En Bar Deportes opinaban cuatro verdades, pero yo no creo que sea tan mala idea, al menos de cara al espectador. No me meto en las condiciones que se han dicho (lo de que sea sub-23 no me parece una gran idea visto que hoy en día los fenómenos explotan con diecisiete), pero en general creo que podría ser beneficioso. Conste que tampoco conozco mucho acerca de las categorías inferiores y que esto es para pasar el viernes y la mañana del Sábado.

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1. Prefiero ver promesas de equipos grandes que centrales de 33 años resabiados que sólo saben dar patadas. No me importaría haber visto jugar a Bojan con quince años o a Granero con diecisiete. Si me pongo delante de la tele quiero ver calidad antes que 'oficio' (¿alguien ve partidos de 2ªB ? Darlos los dan, al menos en Catalunya).

1.2 ¿O no nos volvemos todos locos cuando nos muestran imágenes de Iniesta (o cualquier otro) cuando jugaron en Brunete? Pues lo mismo pero con unos cuantos años más.

2. En Inglaterra también sirven para que los lesionados o los que no juegan habitualmente cojan ritmo.

3. Si la intención de un filial es 'crear' jugadores para el primer equipo, se foguearán mejor en una condiciones 'favorables' que en un campo de tierra jugando contra tíos 10 años mayores. Tener el filial en 2ªB es poco menos que condenar a una generación para que nunca llegue al primer equipo.

4. El riesgo de falta de competitividad se puede incentivar con playoffs, competiciones cortas en lapsos de tiempo reducidos (estilo Copa ACB), etc. La presión que puedan manejar ahí será más parecida a la de un equipo grande que no un playoff de ascenso en el que los equipos 'profesionales' se juegan la existencia.

5. Lejos del resultadismo de las divisiones inferiores, el juego y la formación primarían sobre otros factores (un poco utópico pero no imposible).

6. ¿Tendría más audiencia un Barça-Madrid, Espanyol-Sevilla, Villarreal-Athletic de Bilbao como final de una competición de filiales, con la posibilidad de ver jugadores que en un año o dos pueden estar en el primer equipo? Yo creo que sí.

7. Crear una liga de filiales no garantiza automáticamente empezar a generar cracks, pero habría que preguntar a los Cesc, Piqué, Fran Mérida y demás donde creen que se hubieran formado mejor, si en la liga de filiales en Inglaterra o peleando por los campos de 2ªB.

8. La Roma ha sacado de su equipo primavera a Totti, De Rossi y Aquilani (hablo de memoria), el Inter tiene a Balotelli, y supongo que Pato se habrá ido adaptando al país y forma de trabajar del Milan en el filial. A los equipos ingleses ya los conocemos (aunque no saquen jugadores autóctonos), y en España los Barça, Madrid, Espanyol y demás abastecen a un buen número de equipos. ¿Y sí los Granero y De la Red hubieran jugado partidos televisados con el filial? A lo mejor habría una presión mediática y por parte del público para no cederlos tan alegremente y darles una oportunidad en el primer equipo (utópico también).

9. A lo mejor Giovani necesita un filial en lugar de jugar en 2ªB o en el primer equipo. Y cómo el unos cuantos que pasaron sin pena ni gloria a caballo entre el B y el primer equipo (Nano, Jofre, Sergio García, etc.)

9. Criticar a Inglaterra y achacar su falta de jugadores autóctonos competitivos a los filiales no tiene mucha lógica, ¿cuándo Inglaterra ha tenido virtuosos del balón? ¿Cuántas Eurocopas tienen? Tuvieron una época dorada, pero en los 90 los clubes vieron que, o empezaban a fichar gente de fuera y jugar como ellos, o no había nada que hacer. A pelotazos en la era post-Heysel ya no ganaban a nadie (excepto al Barça en la Recopa del 91).

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Andrés Pérez dijo...

"Criticar a Inglaterra y achacar su falta de jugadores autóctonos competitivos a los filiales no tiene mucha lógica, ¿cuándo Inglaterra ha tenido virtuosos del balón? ¿Cuántas Eurocopas tienen? Tuvieron una época dorada, pero en los 90 los clubes vieron que, o empezaban a fichar gente de fuera y jugar como ellos, o no había nada que hacer. A pelotazos en la era post-Heysel ya no ganaban a nadie (excepto al Barça en la Recopa del 91)."

Una de las mayores verdades sobre el fútbol inglés que he escuchado en mucho tiempo.

Un abrazo.

BoVeS dijo...

"Criticar a Inglaterra y achacar su falta de jugadores autóctonos competitivos a los filiales no tiene mucha lógica, ¿cuándo Inglaterra ha tenido virtuosos del balón? ¿Cuántas Eurocopas tienen? Tuvieron una época dorada, pero en los 90 los clubes vieron que, o empezaban a fichar gente de fuera y jugar como ellos, o no había nada que hacer. A pelotazos en la era post-Heysel ya no ganaban a nadie (excepto al Barça en la Recopa del 91)."

Estoy de acuerdo contigo, excepto en que qué más da si tienen Eurocopas si tienen un Mundial?
Inglaterra no tiene la mejor cantera del mundo, pero vamos que sí que sacan buenos futbolistas. A mí no me importaría nada que Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard o Ferdinand fuesen españoles.

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c7r dijo...

sobre lo de que habría q preguntar a los cesc, mérida, piqué... precisamente éste último ha dicho muchas veces justamente éso; que por el tema de los filiales en divisiones tan inferiores, si siguiera en España sería un central normalito que jugaría cada domingo contra Sabadell, Gavá, Benidorm...
te doy la razón en todo... pero sobre lo q dices de si alguien ve partidos de 2ªB, te sorprendería la cantidad de gente que los ve, al menos en Valencia, que también los dan, y conoce plantillas enteras, entrenadores, tácticas y ddemás. Enfermos hay en todos lados. De hecho incluso yo suelo ver los q dan del filial del Levante, pero porq tengo amigos jugando allí.

Un abrazo!

manué dijo...

Totalmente de acuerdo. Pienso que una liga de filiales sería bastante beneficioso para mejorar la calidad de la Liga española y por consiguiente de la selección española

merchancito dijo...

Yo creo que la raíz del problema no se soluciona creando una liga de filiales. Da igual que los jugadores jueguen contra tíos de 27-30 años o que jueguen entre ellos. Total, cuando les llegue el momento de dar el salto al primer equipo (18-21 años) van a tener un jugador traído por un representante a precio de crack que le va a cerrar el paso. Por mucha liga de filiales que se cree, Granero seguiría teniendo a Sneijder delante, Piqué a Márquez/Milito y Cesc habría pasado desapercibido porque Xavi, Iniesta y Deco son "intocables".

El problema es la poca confianza que se tiene en nuestra cantera. El problema es la horda de representantes e intermediarios sanguijuelas que hacen negocio con la connivencia de los clubes. El problemas son los directivos que se llevan la comisión gorda por firmar a Saviola en vez de darle la oportunidad a Soldado. El problema es de los entrenadores cagones que no tienen arrestos para jugársela con un chaval de 17 años que la está rompiendo en el filial.

Aún así, los extremos no son buenos, y sólo hace falta echarle un vistazo al modelo Wenger (del que soy fan absoluto) para ver que en el máximo nivel no funciona. La experiencia siempre es un grado y a estos niveles de exigencia la cabeza cuenta muchísimo. A nivel mental, siempre será más fiable un central de 27-28 años que un chavalín de 20.

Yo creo que la migración de jugadores a las islas se debe en gran parte a que los entrenadores que los piden SI los van metiendo poco a poco en los primeros equipos, cosa que en España no sucede tan a menudo como debiera. El tema de la liga entre filiales, me parece que no ataca el problema real.

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Brillante post Mighthy. Bien desarrollada tu idea de una liga de filiales. Lo único que te recuerdo que en España esa liga existía, y no hace mucho. Era la liga SUB 19. En los años noventa. Con equipos como el Albacete de Morientes disputándole la liga o copa del rey (no recuerdo con exactitud) al Barca de De la Peña. Nosé que habrá sido de aquella competición pero creo que se fusionó con otro tipo de competición (quizás la liga de juveniles a nivel autonómico).

Creo que este modelo que defiendes conllevaría que las canteras de los equipos menores fueran saqueadas a lo bestia por los clubs grandes. Y si no que se lo pregunten al Albacete con un Villareal que el año pasado compró a toda su plantilla de juveniles.

Los jugadores de la cantera deben crecer un poco dentro de sus clubs, y si no irse cedidos.Las fugas a Inglaterra no han sido tan buenas para los chicos. Piqué se fue cedido a Zaragoza, igual que podría haberle pasado en el Barca, y es un defensa con proyección pero reserva, del reserva, sino no jugaría Brown en ausencia de Vidic. Que no nos vendan motos. Lo de Cesc ha sido una excepción. Y podría tener muchos más títulos en el Barca que con su querido Wenger, entre ellos una Copa de Europa.

En fin, que los equipo de primera como el Getafe, el Recre, o el Valladolid (en muchas ocasiones) sigan disfrutando de canteranos cedidos de equipos grandes, haciéndoles futbolístas de primera, y mantiendosé en la categoría, muchas veces con un salto de calidad en sus plantillas, que supone buen juego. Es lo que le puede faltar a la mitad de los equipos de la sobrevalorada Premier. Jugadores cedidos por los grandes, que den más nivel a la competición. Y no viejas glorias venidas a menos, y jugadores que en España no jugarían ni en Primera.Los "mega"cracks de le Premier sobresalen muchas veces por este tipo de jugadores.

El modelo inglés no es válido. Y quién quiera pensar que tiene tres semifinalistas de Champions, y que eso es un aval suficiente para medir el nivel de su liga, y su liga de reservas. Sólo tiene que recordar que el Milán a medio gas ya les quitó la orejona del año pasado, y este año tiene pinta de que el Barca repita hazaña.

Un saludo de Q.

JordiT dijo...

Conste que estoy de acuerdo en hacer una liga de filiales, pero hay una afirmación que es muy refutable. Es esta:

"Tener el filial en 2ªB es poco menos que condenar a una generación para que nunca llegue al primer equipo."

Messi e Iniesta jugaron en el Barça B estando en segunda B, y Bojan también en segunda B, en este caso en un equipo que acabó bajando a tercera. Lo mismo que buena parte de la cantera del Sevilla.

Yo creo, por eso, que además de una liga de filiales, se deberían hacer otros cambios que favorecieran el ascenso de jugadores jóvenes, caso de ampliar el cupo de jugadores convocables para la Copa del Rey.

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Luis Carlos dijo...

La razón por la que haya gente que vea partidos de Segunda B es por la relación con la localidad. En Segovia o en Lugo la única posibilidad de ver fútbol en directo es a través del equipo de Segunda B de la localidad. Cuando no había tanta posibilidad de ver partidos por televisión y escaparse hasta el Bernabeu era un viaje imposible, la gente se volcaba en el fútbol regional. Ahora eso ha decaído mucho. La gente prefiere ver un buen partido de la Premier en la tele que a veintidós jugadores mediocres al lado de casa.

El problema que puede tener la liga de filiales es la escasa asistencia de espectadores. Recuerdo un derbi Oviedo B-Sporting B en tercera división hace muchos años con una asistencia mínima de espectadores. Cualquier partido de tercera entre equipos no filiales tenía mucha más público, aunque sólo fuera para defender el nombre de la localidad del equipo.

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